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Ici, IMU, Italian taxes, IVIE
Just when we think we’re finally getting a handle on the ins-and-outs of Italian bureaucracy, Italian bureaucracy throws us a curve ball. This year it is the in the form of two new taxes.
Well, actually one re-instated tax and one new tax.
The reinstated tax used to be call l’ICI, and it was a modest tax on one’s real estate holdings in Italy. Several years ago then Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi abolished the tax in an effort to appease voters and gain re-election, in which endeavor he succeeded. If you have been following events in Italy, you know she is in deep financial crisis, and that the new Prime Minister, Mario Monti, is a technocrat. ” Technically (no pun intended), a technocratic government is one in which the ministers are not career politicians; in fact, in some cases they may not even be members of political parties at all. They are instead supposed to be “experts” in the fields of their respective ministries.” (For a more in-depth explanation of a technocracy, read this article by Joshua A. Tucker, writing for ‘Aljazeera,’ from which the preceding quote is taken.) Monti has been given the unenviable task of ‘fixing’ the Italian economy, and one of his steps has been to reinstate the ICI, now known as the IMU (Imposta Municipale Unificata). It is pronounced exactly as below.

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Figuring out what one owes for the IMU is not terribly difficult, fortunately. There is a handy-dandy website (Google IMU *your town’s name* to find it) that will tell you just what you owe, and will even print out the F24 form to use when paying it. The first payment is due June 18. The second payment is due in September if you are paying in three installments, or in December if you are paying in two. The tricky part is that part of the tax goes to the federal government and part goes to municipalities. Rates for the later have not yet been set, and probably won’t be until August; so while you can figure out what you owe and need to pay for June, the second and third installments are still a bit of a mystery. The tax is only slightly higher than the old ICI for first homes. It is a good bit higher for second homes.
Speedy and I have no problem with this tax being stout-hearted believers in paying for civic services, even curtailed as they have become through the austerity measures. We DO have a big problem with the second tax.
The IVIE (Imposta sul valore degli immobili situati all’estero) is a tax on any real property owned in another country. Designed to catch out the big fish who hide large assets overseas, this tax is sadly also netting all us little minnows. It is not a particularly small tax either, as it is equal to 0.76% of the value of your property. The tricky part here (aside from actually paying the damn thing) is knowing what the correct value of the overseas property is. Fortunately in the U.S. we all have assessed values placed on our homes for tax purposes, so I suppose we could use them. And one does get a limited amount of credit for real estate taxes paid to the locality of the property in question.
There is yet another tax which is sort of bundled in with the dreaded IVIE (dubbed ‘Poison IVIE’ by The Informer website which, by the way, I highly recommend to anyone living in Italy). Strictly speaking it is not IVIE, but it feels like it – it is a tax on the value of any money, funds, pensions and so forth that you might have in another country. For 2011 and 2012 it’s 0.10% of the value of said investments; in 2013 that goes up to 0.15%. Probably by then no one will have any money left anyway, so never mind.
We understand the reasoning behind these IVIE taxes but they seem hideously unfair to an expatriate. They are, once again, meant to catch big fish: the wealthy who have secreted their resources in foreign countries or off-shore safe havens, something rich Italians are famous for doing. The penalties for not reporting/paying are extortionate – 10%-50% the value of the unreported assets. Many of us “victims” of this tax wish the government huge success so as to alleviate the burden on us in the future.
It is ‘Poison IVIE’ indeed to those of us who are just trying to enjoy a quiet expatriate life. At some point Italy will ask just one thing too much of us; our backs will break. We understand that we all have to do our bit to save the country, but taxing assets in our home country just isn’t right. And don’t get any ideas, U.S.A. – don’t think you can start taxing our property here in Italy!

i checked with my commercialista and if your properties etc are owned by a company in the UK then there is no IVie to pay. However if you take divendends etc then they need to be disclosed on your tax return in italy. I am going to contact the euro MP because if you check on the agenzia entrate there is a list of countries whos expats with residence must pay the ivie. Nearly all. However most can offset the ivie tax with there own type of council tax. Guess what? uk expats cannot? Its not reconised as property tax( choose not to more like) if this is not discrimination then i don’t know what is. Italians have this theory that most or nearly all inglese are rich. If you ask me its a tax because we did not join the euro.!
I think it’s more a case of them looking for tax money wherever they can find it, but the anomaly you point out does seem odd.
If you are resident in Italy, it would seem that paying property taxes in the US is unfair and not vv
Does this apply to nonresidents as well?
Check with a good commercialista to be sure. What I understand is that all property owners must pay (or by now have paid) the IMU, the tax on property you own in Italy. I think the IVIE applies only to those who are resident in Italy and file Italian taxes – but I’m no commercialista, so please, please don’t take my word for it!
This is terrible. You guys hVe been hit with one extra expense after another! The water bill, Arizona tax, etc. Not fair!,,,
Maybe all the surprises keep us young… or not. It’s always interesting, that’s for sure.
We have spoken to a commercialista about various things and this little treat has not been mentioned…..yet. We will check, thank you for the tip.
But I think you’re not legal residents of Italy? Or are you? It makes the difference, I think…
Gosh, Farfalle – this is not good news… It seems the middle class is getting hit from all sides in every country – soon we’ll be extinct along with the 200 other species that disappear daily. I admire you attitude of contributing to the common cause and hope these new taxes don’t force you to choose one abode or the other!
Hard days all around, and I think (fear) the worst is yet to come for Italy. The jury’s out on which works better, austerity (Europe) or stimulus (US) – I don’t know enough about economics to even have an informed opinion. None of it seems very good to me.
Are you saying that Italy wants to tax our property in Australia?
I agree with you about paying a fair amount of tax as a foreigner in Italy. I was happy to pay ICI, and we continued to pay even when Berlusconi removed it. I am happy to pay IMU even though it is about double what we were paying. I am not happy to be expected to pay tax on what we own elsewhere.
We bring a fair bit of money to Italy every year and I happen to think that is enough.
Fortunately our property is owned in various companies. It would be almost impossible for them to work us out.
If I understand what I’ve read correctly, then yes – we are all supposed to pay taxes on our overseas holdings. But check with your commercialista to be sure – this is one instance when I’d love to be wrong. I thin, too, that it applies only to people who are Italian residents. When I first heard about it I thought, oh surely this is just an EU matter, but we were told it applied to our US property. We haven’t gotten returns yet from the tax-man, so I can’t tell you the exact outcome. Supposedly the tax will go away in a few years, but somehow I doubt it…
My understanding is that companies don’t pay IVIE, only resident individuals.
I imagine that’s true. But I bet companies have a raft of other taxes they get to pay here.